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Careful what you ask for ...

The citizens of Virginia Beach tried to ban the aircraft noise from the Navy base so the base decided to move their base.  The economy of the region would be totally reliant on tourism.  With the loss of military money from the region, the residents were worried that they would loose essential services because they to would leave the region.  Housing prices would drop and the only revenue to the area would be from seasonal tourism. 

When the residents realized the Navy called their bluff, they started the campaign "I love Jet Noise".

Expanding an airport is good for area.  I've worked on many cost/benefit studies and the economic gain of an airport expansion in new jobs, new business', and improved infrastructure far exceeds the perceived costs of the noise.  Noise can be mitigated by many means.

LAX's another example.  When the residents complained about the noise, LA got the county to condemn the residents property. 

I can go on and on about many airports in the country that have tried to stand up to economic progress so the Mattawoman is not alone in this fight.

I'll admit the current political climate is conducive to environmental issues, but the income potential benefit from fees and taxes will far exceed any gain from eco-tourism.

One of the best area's I've caught fish is right off a major airport's runway.  I personally think it's cool watching the planes take off and land from a boat and the aircraft noise has no bearing on the fish.  Just the anglers.

There's many studies for the smaller airports.  When I use to do the studies myself, I'd go after the big fish for bigger $$$'s.  But the theory of each study is the same.

Not signing the petition because airports, no matter what the size, are good for the economy. If an airport is seeking to expand, , whether big or small, shows the community is growing. 

I support economic growth

edit.  I'll also add that this is a fishing board that does not support political discussion. Sourcing the Sierra club is very political.  The Sierra club is a lobby that gets paid to support political causes.

Last edited by hookup (Jun-03-21 4:00PM)

hookup wrote:

I'll also add that this is a fishing board that does not support political discussion. Sourcing the Sierra club is very political.  The Sierra club is a lobby that gets paid to support political causes.

My personal belief is that conservationism is not political, until someone makes it political, but I do recognize that the Sierra Club has engaged in political activity in the past. I'll edit the link to another petition from SaveCharlesCounty.com.

I've been in aviation all my life.  Part of my life was subsidized by airport environmental studies and the cost benefit of the service to the community of airport expansion.  A couple pickerel in the watershed would never be factored into the analysis for the decision to expand an airport's service and the benefits to the community of that expansion.

Yes, I'm very biased on this subject.

And yes, I get the environmental impacts.  I fish!

non-porous roads are its worst enemy.

I got a briefing on this recently.  Not only non-porous, but asphalt has all kinds of other problems

https://www.aexcelcorp.com/blog/eco-fri … the-planet

Good things I'm a drone guy now ;-)

edit.  But we'll ignore the environmental and health issues associated with mining cobalt for lithium ion batteries and the recycling of LiIon batteries.

My point is I've seen airports close down due to lack of capacity and communities suffer.  Converse to that is airports grow and the community grows.  I love jet noise. They have paid my bills for the past 40+ years and are still putting my son through a PhD program.

Last edited by hookup (Jun-03-21 8:11PM)

To each their own.  I don't judge anyone's position unless it's just down right stupid (so I judge everyone! hahahha...it's a joke).   Anyway, I can understand both perspectives.  My best fishing is right next to HMX1 in Quantico and the VRE/Amtrack/CSX rail.  I couldn't say what's better or worse.  I just know people are the biggest factor in ruining everything and transportation hubs are the key to economic success.

Drug smugglers it is!

This is a JOKE!

Last edited by drxfish (Jun-04-21 1:58PM)

Have you been to Bryans Road / Pomfret area? 
Even the dollar store has closed up..

Not much to see there. Two airports in a short drive with longer runways too.

But in see no harm in the extension.

Capt Mike

Just south of Middleberg or maybe in Upperville, there is a 4k+' runway. Saw a big jet taking off once. It was on the Melon estate (2k+ acres but has since been divided into 12 pieces).

There was economic wealth there but the runway was private. Far reach from what Mike talked about on Bryans Rd. (boonies).