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#1 Mar-14-12 12:05AM

TyF
Northern Snakehead
From: Ashburn, VA
Registered: Mar-23-11
Posts: 216

Fly Fishing Leaders/Tippets

I have a 6 weight fly rod and reel that came with its own line, backing, and leader/tippet. The 9 ft leader/tippet broke and now i only have about 4 feet of what looks like 30 lb test line. I need to replace it and was looking for information on the types and brands of tippets out there. I usually fish fresh water for bass sunfish and crappie, if that has anything to do with what tippet to choose.

Questions:

What specs should the tippet have?
Are there certain characteristics of the tippet that would be better for freshwater fishing bass, crappie, sunfish, etc.?
Is there a certain brand  that is better than others and worth the price?


Thanks,
Tyler

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#2 Mar-14-12 12:56AM

Ernie
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From: Ashburn VA
Registered: Feb-03-06
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Re: Fly Fishing Leaders/Tippets

Pre made tippets are usually a waste of money. They are for world record keeping (there is a way to build them for that purpose).

If you learn how to tie proper knots (blood, albright, uni to uni etc), you can make your own. I like floro at the end.

So....now you have the butt end. To that you can tie a 10lb line (5') or two 2.5" sections, one being greater than the end. For blue gills, I like to end up with 4 or 6 lb line. If you are throwing into a lot of cover, you will need 20lb test in total (or at least that). Capt. Mike will attest to that.

Here is something I grabbed from the net:

Leaders. At the end of the fly line one attaches a leader which tapers from the fly line to the fly. The leader serves to both deliver the fly and to make the link between the fly and the line invisible to the trout and to interfere as little as possible with the presentation of the fly.

Generally the choice is between monofilament or fluorocarbon. What is the difference?

Monofilament is a single-component product manufactured in a relatively inexpensive process. It is formed through an extrusion process in which molten plastic is formed into a strand through a die.

Fluorocarbon is a polymer that's nearly invisible in water because it has an almost identical refractive index to the water. It is inert, so it resists deterioration by sunlight better than plastic. However, if monofilament is kept out of the sunlight and cared for it will last for some years.

Which to use? As fluorocarbon has a higher specific gravity than monofilament, is nearly invisible in water and is stiffer than monofilament it is preferable for wet flies such as nymphs. On the other hand, as monofilament will float longer and is generally more manageable it is easier to use for dry flies.

Frog hair leaders claim to be more abrasive resistant and more pliable that traditional fluorocarbon therefore it is worth testing whether this has more use as a dry fly material. I have used froghair fluorocarbon for both dry and nymphing and found it perfectly satisfactory.

Absent Froghair, for dry flies use monofilament and for wet flies use fluorocarbon.

Strength. Leaders nominate different strengths. Trout fishing leaders can range from 1x up to 8x. Illogically, the higher the numeric value, the lighter the tippet. Therefore the 8x is about 1lb breaking strain. On the other hand the 1x has a breaking strain of . 8x is too light for a beginner. We suggest anything from 5x to 7x unless you are going to hook into some big fish straight off. If the fish are leader shy go for the lighter leader. In addition if you are going to use a very small fly the lighter leader will allow it to fall more naturally. If the water is a little cloudy or the fish are not too leader shy and you are using a larger fly, use heavier tippet as it will reduce the risk of breaking off your first fish. If you are fishing with a heavier leader and you forgot to carry a lighter one, you can always improvise by adding some light tippet to the end. By carrying say, 4x – 7x tippet on your trip, you are able to take a 2x leader and cut it down a little, add some lighter tippet and voila, a lighter leader. It is not rocket science. Just make sure you can tie a strong knot such as a blood knot or an albright.

Knotted or knotless leaders? In short, don't use knotted leaders where there is a risk of picking up moss or slime on the line which will interfere with the drift of the fly. Knotted leaders are therefore preferable for the dry fly. The knotted leader permits the stiffness of the line to be controlled for the delivery of the fly. It is easy enough to make your own leaders if you like and certainly if you add tippet to the end of you line you are beginning to do so.

Tippet. This is material added to the end of the leader to either lengthen it or repair it as the leader gets short after changing too many flies. If one uses tippet material one is introducing a knot into the line which runs the risk of picking up some debris while nymphing. Generally however it is wise to use tippet to maintain the lightest material near the fly and to ensure that the leader does not get too short. However don't use too much light tippet as it will affect one's ability to turn over the fly and present it well.

As noted above, always carry a selection of tippet so that you can repair you line or improvise by chopping around you leader, adding some tippet and creating a lighter leader. Conversely you can cut down a lighter leader and add heavier tippet if you are being broken off by big fish.


Time to go fishin' again!

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#3 Mar-14-12 1:13AM

TyF
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From: Ashburn, VA
Registered: Mar-23-11
Posts: 216

Re: Fly Fishing Leaders/Tippets

Mr. Rojas that info helped A LOT!! Glad i didnt spend the money. I have some books on fly fishing that explained how to make a leader yourself but it was so confusing!! This made it simple and easy to understand!

Thanks!!

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#4 Mar-14-12 1:24AM

Ernie
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Re: Fly Fishing Leaders/Tippets

When fishing for bass or stripers, all you need is 7-9' of 20lb test leader.....nothing else. Tied right to the fly line.


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#5 Mar-14-12 1:31AM

captmikestarrett
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From: Potomac River
Registered: May-06-08
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Re: Fly Fishing Leaders/Tippets

A three part leader is easy to make. Shooting for 9 foot leader takes 5 feet of 20lb and 4 feet of 10lb and 3 feet of say 6lb line. Use uni knots and after the ties it will be about 9 feet long. Loop knot called surgeons to start.

Adjust by one foot per segment for shorter leaders. Final segment can be 4lb if you want or 8lb for small bass.

Capt Mike


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#6 Mar-14-12 2:36AM

Houli
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From: Leesburg, VA
Registered: Dec-10-10
Posts: 252

Re: Fly Fishing Leaders/Tippets

Hey Tyler.  I use 10-20lb butt end and 6-10lb taper to the fly when hitting the local spots.  I just picked up some Tippet rings to make it easier to adjust tippet to the conditions (mono vs fluoro and diff sizes).  I'd be happy to give you a few to try out.

Ryan

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#7 Mar-15-12 11:58PM

TyF
Northern Snakehead
From: Ashburn, VA
Registered: Mar-23-11
Posts: 216

Re: Fly Fishing Leaders/Tippets

Thanks for all the info!!

I will definitely take you up on that offer this weekend ryan... I need some sinking line though for shad any suggestions for the same rod, and fishing conditions as explained in the first post?

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#8 Mar-16-12 3:00AM

Houli
Northern Snakehead
From: Leesburg, VA
Registered: Dec-10-10
Posts: 252

Re: Fly Fishing Leaders/Tippets

I use SA mastery series wet tip express 250 gr on my 7 wt.... Not cheap but good and should last.  I'd go with 200gr for your 6 wt.  not sure if I'll get out this weekend but if you are out local let me know when and I'll drop off some Tippet rings.

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#9 Mar-16-12 5:49PM

captmikestarrett
Patagonian Toothfish
From: Potomac River
Registered: May-06-08
Posts: 2319
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Re: Fly Fishing Leaders/Tippets

Turning a 250 grain on a 6 wt under 9 foot will be a chore. There is a new 200 gr Teeny that will do the job nicely.
They run 50 bucks or more.

At the NCC TU show last Sunday a vender had 300 or so lines in a file box for sale at 10-15 bucks each. They had Teeny 200 /250 /300 /350 in there. All lightly used and in good shape. They are used to test rods. I got three for 30 bucks. Two Orvis and a Sharkskin.

Capt Mike

Last edited by captmikestarrett (Mar-16-12 5:56PM)


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